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UNIT 31 Tribes and Other Communities

Another tribal example · Scuffling in the usual way · But can't an X be a tribe? · Communities and tribes: origins · Communities and tribes: membership


Compare and contrast the operation of the Neo-Futurists with that of the East Mountain News.
From what you can gather here, write a paper matching the New-Futurists with the "ingredients" Quinn gives for a tribal business.
Anthropologist Sharon Bohn Gmelch lists some reasons why groups like the Gypsies survive. Write a paper comparing her list to Quinn's "ingredients" for a tribal business.

Do you know anyone who scuffles for a living? Can you think of anyone in books or movies who scuffles for a living?

What does a scuffler give up and gain by making a living this way?

Suppose you're working at some job, and the owner of the business decides to make it a tribal business. You're invited to join the business as a tribal member. What factors would you consider in making your decision?
Do an online search on "intentional communities." Download and distribute information on two or three different communities and have students evaluate how they size up as tribes in Quinn's terms.

Quinn says that "to the extent allowed by law and custom, ordinary communities make it their policy to exclude certain kinds of people and include all the rest." During the 1950s and 1960s many laws were passed limiting the extent to which communities could exclude "certain kinds of people." Give some examples of the "kinds of people" communities wanted to exclude. Certain means of exclusion are now prohibited by law. Have people given up trying to exclude "certain kinds" of people?

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